The Hobson & Holtz Report - Podcast #170: September 7, 2006

The Hobson & Holtz Report - Podcast #170: September 7, 2006

Content summary: New FIR interview posted; IABC begins new podcast series; new Skylook features; RIM launches multimedia Blackberry; the Hewlett-Packard boardroom soap opera gets serious; SNCR Awards deadline extended; the Adam Curry and Joseph Jaffe kerfuffle; David Phillips reports on investing in the PR industry; pay for placement in Wikipedia; Dan York reports; listeners’ comments discussion; the music; and more.

Show notes for September 7, 2006

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So, until Monday September 11…

Posted by neville on 09/07 at 10:50 AM

  1. Shel and Neville:

    Actually, I did notice that the bed music in FIR 169 was louder than usual, and hence mildly distracting, but I was in a fairly quiet place while listening to that part of the show, so it wasn’t an issue.

    Regarding pay-for-play on Wikipedia, it seems to me that the only real problem would be if people were paying Wikipedia in order to get favorable articles in there. There’s no such thing as a neutral point of view, anyway—only our attempts to approximate it. And part of the New Media revolution is declaring yourself, disclosing your prejudices, and writing subjectively. An encyclopedia written entirely by people without specialized knowledge in the topics they cover verges on the preposterous.

    And speaking of preposterousness, this barnyard posturing between Joseph Jaffe and Adam Curry just makes me cringe. (I suppose I should go say that on the ATS blog, too.) I think it started out somewhat tongue-in-cheek, but I was getting pretty tired of it by ATS 52. Adam Curry’s response makes me extremely grateful that I’ve never listened to the Daily Source Code. Is this kind of thing really what we want our prospective clients to hear? Am I just going to have to skip the next several episodes of ATS while this plays itself out?

    In any case, it makes me appreciate the consistent professionalism you two bring to your podcast.

    Posted by Sallie Goetsch (rhymes with "sketch")  on  09/09  at  06:03 AM

  2. Back from Lurkington. Regarding Wikipedia, without doubt, many of the articles already in it have been written by people having an interest in the pages being there (or conflict of, of course). I like the idea of communication consultants disclosing their authorship, but maybe one could take this further and declare this as a first draft FOR DISCUSSION. So that from the getgo this can be viewed as a regular Wikipedia entry which does not insist on being THE entry. Is it wrong if people get paid to craft such entries? I don’t think so.
    Keep it up, am still listening…
    Sab

    Posted by Sebastian  on  09/11  at  01:42 AM

  3. I found the bed music extremely distracting in previous shows.  It was much better in FIR 170, sounded softer but even then, the high-pitched saxaphone distracted me on occasion.  I’d prefer the music out, but if you do leave it in could you please make sure it is very soft as in #170?

    Shel, appreciate the effort you put into production values, but IMHO the show is a classic example of compelling content not requiring embellishment.

    Thank you and great show as always.

    Posted by .(JavaScript must be enabled to view this email address)  on  09/11  at  11:41 PM

  4. Hi Neville and Shel, I am a new listener to the FiR, enjoy it very much, and look forward to more.

    Regarding the new IABC podcast series. I must thank you for In Session (and look forward to Cafe2go). I had similar ideas for some Swedish customers, but In Session premiered before we got a go-signal. Greatly inspired by In Session I adviced our customer to use Wordpress and a similar setup as yours. Before you showed the way we were thinking of MT or a proprietary solution. Our solution can be found at http://www.kompetenspodden.se (in Swedish :-).

    Regarding the interview with Pia. A wonderul piece, full of great insights. I totally agree with Neville that Agria made a true blog implementation with their IT-solution. Perhaps Pia was too humble to mention(very Swedish) that Agria got the Web Service Award 2005 in the category “Information and services” http://www.webserviceaward.com/index2.asp (Swedish again). The award is particularly fair because the jury’s (I am one of the members) decisions are totally based on what the visitors to the competing Web sites say when surveyed about their experiences and feelings. Now Pia states on her blog that Neville has made here thinking about podcasting…

    Regarding the JCK (Jaffe Curry Kerfuffle), at least I have learned a lot. Nothing is new (after the ancient Greeks discovered everyting), but the forms, some of the turns, and in particular the effects - are. I understand the many different emotions and viewpoints - which clearly are influenced by how much the expressers have listened to the podcasts in questions. Don´t want to say more now because I have sent both parties an audio comment.

    Posted by Richard Gatarski  on  09/12  at  04:25 AM

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